_CCC_大智 发表于 2009-2-15 22:14:28

【News】《海蓝》英文版登陆AOK Heaven

本来暑假就应该完成了,可惜最后被一场大病拖延,只好等到寒假才收了尾。

1.26号上传;2.10进行翻译内容的更新,主要是由来自英国的 Julius999,貌似是AOKH的评委之一,帮我检查了触发以外的信息翻译。

现在也已经有一篇评分了。由于只是第一部,剧情未完待续的缘故,故事与提示被扣了1分,4.8。预料到故事与提示可能被扣分,但预想的原因是翻译,因为外国佬对我的英文简直是一致的“好”评,结果,扣分是却是因为剧情不完整,多少有些意外,不过,似乎《轮覆之时》也有此遭遇。

本来是打算有了分数再通告的,不过阔比早早就写了公告了。。。现在既然已经有评分了,不打个招呼就说不过去咯。



发布地址:https://aok.heavengames.com/blacksmith/showfile.php?fileid=9615

中文原版下载:https://www.hawkaoe.net/bbs/thread-16369-1-1.html

评分:
Sword_of_Storm

'Ocean Blue 1' is a mixed style campaign in which you play on the side of three kingdoms who must work together to defeat a powerful enemy. In this campaign you control different factions in a strategic manner to defeat the enemy.

《海蓝I》是一部混合型战役。在战役中,你将扮演三个联合起来的王国,去打败一个强大的敌人。你需要控制不同王国的军队,运用策略战胜仇敌。

Playability: 5+

A great campaign, one of very few in which I felt that I was using military strategies that were tactically sound, eg. not engaging in battle when unnecessary, crossing over from the riverside camp, attacking from various different fronts etc. The battles were great and just enough difficult to be challenging and not frustrating. Unlike many other campaigns I always knew where my heroes were and what they were doing. All the battles felt that they were accomplishing a mission goal, rather than just killing enemies for the sake of it.
The cutscenes were good too and there was a good soundtrack always playing in the background. I didn't encounter any bugs whatsoever. A definite 5 here, it was really enjoyable.

娱乐性:5+
伟大的战役。这是少数几部能让我感到我在使用战略高度的军事计谋的战役之一。举例来说,在不必要的时候不要搅入战场,从沿河营地渡河增援,从不同的前线进攻等等。战斗很棒,且富于挑战,又不会难到令人灰心。不像许多其他的战役那样,我总能知道我的英雄在哪以及他们在干什么。所有的战斗都让人感到是为了完成某一个明确的任务目标,而非仅仅是为了杀戮而杀戮。
开场电影也很不错,背景音乐也相当棒。我没有发现任何BUG漏洞。毫无疑问的5分,真的非常好玩。

Balance: 5

I played this game on 'moderate' difficulty level and it was just hard enough to be challenging yet not frustrating. For each battle I had to reload a few times to conserve soldiers, for example in the seige of Atle I was finally left with only the general, 2 teutonic knights and a scorpion ( and it was funny to see this group attacking in the end and King Lynchard calling it an attack by the Atlians ). Units had increased HP and attack but only a little, so that battles lasted longer and heroes had balanced HP/attack. The relic sidequest was rather hard though, I couldn't do it without marco-polo. In every battle you had to think about counter units and strategies and not simply rush into the battle.

平衡:5
我是在中等难度下玩的,而它正好既富有挑战性,又不至于过难而使人灰心。每次战斗我都需要重新载入存档几次以保存更多的士兵。举例来说,在亚特的攻城战中,我最终只剩下那个将军,两个条顿武士还有一个弩炮(好玩的是,最后看到理查德国王,把这一小搓士兵的攻击称为“亚特人的进攻”……)。单位的生命值得到提升,攻击则只有小幅增加,因此战斗持续得更久,而英雄们也拥有合理的生命值和攻击力。不过,夺取圣物的关卡相当困难,我不用开图秘籍都没法过关。每场战斗你都必须注意使用克制兵种以及策略,而不能简单地一股脑冲向战场。

Creativity: 5

The campaign was quite creative, there were many new tricks like the attackable rock and capturing the castle when it was damaged enough. But what I found the most original was the military strategy of both sides- the Olican 'capture the warships and beseige Atle by land and sea' to defeat the kingdoms one by one in their lighting attack taking advantage of the mountains between the 2 kingdoms- genius! And the 3 kings plans- bringing reinforcements by sea and then staying behind to guard the camp from scouts- equally genus! The style of this campaign is quite unique and the selection of background music is great. Full marks here too.

创意:5
这部战役极富创意。有很多新的技术效果,比如可攻击的岩石、攻击城堡从而占领它。但我所发现最最原创的东西,是交战双方的战略:奥雷克人夺取那些战舰,从水路两面围攻亚特,并利用兰蒂斯和亚特两国间的山脉,加之闪电般的速度,去各个击破这三个国家——天才!以及那三个国王的计划——从水路增援,并且留人断后对付侦察兵——同样是天才!战役的形式与众不同,所选的背景音乐也很棒。同样是满分。

Map Design: 5

A great map, with strategic mountain ranges, cliffs, bridges, etc. which all had an important effect on the gameplay. The terrain blending and placement of units were very well done, especially with the units patrolling in formation many times. There was good eye candy and no overuse of it. Much better than a random map and certainly merits a 5. However there could have been a few more fields and villagers to talk to, you did not get to speak to almost any civilians.

地图美观:5
很棒的地图,包括了山脉,悬崖,桥梁等全都对游戏过程发挥了重大影响的战略地形。地形混合以及单位放置都做得非常好,尤其是那些编队巡逻的士兵。地图中有很好的亮点,但没有滥用装饰。远远超出随机地图,而且毫无疑问地值得一个5分。不过,其实还是可以多设置一些能够交谈的地方和村民的,你几乎不能和什么平民交谈。

Story/Instructions: 4

The instructions were all very clear and detailed and there was a hints and history section too. The story was very good - a familiar tale of kings uniting to defeat the outsider - but it wasn't that moving ( we didn't get to know any of the characters ) and had too many loose ends that were not explained. For example the Socrates and Plato thing- where did it fit in? The sacred relic quest thing- what was the point of that, it wasn't mentioned later and just seemed like a pointless mission for a player to do something. Maybe it could have had a magical power ? Then the Olican swords which were supposed to be very strong or something.. but we never saw that either after the cutscene. Assassination of the King- after the battle ?? Would it not make more sense to assassinate him during the battle, or have him die fighting? Maybe these could be answered in a sequel campaign but the story on its own doesn't stand all that well, so I am giving it a 4.

故事与提示:4
游戏说明全都写得很清晰详尽,并且也有提示和历史。故事非常棒 —— 一个耳熟能详的关于几个国王联合起来抵抗外敌的故事 —— 不过它不是那么地感人(我们并没有能够深入了解任何一个人物)并且有太多的结果没有得到说明。比如,那个苏格拉底和柏拉图的部分 —— 它有什么关系?还有关于那个圣物 —— 意义何在?那个圣物没有再被提及,而只能看起来像是个毫无意义的任务,仅仅为了让玩家有点事情干而已。或许,它拥有什么神秘力量?还有,奥雷克的剑被认为相当强大…可我们在电影之后,就再没有能见识到。刺杀国王 —— 在战斗结束之后??难道在战斗结束前就刺杀他,或者在战斗中杀死他不是更有用吗?或许这些问题都能在续集中得到解答,但第一部的剧情本身并不能太好地说明这些。所以,我给4分。

Additional Comments:

A great campaign, don't miss this. I highly recommend downloading.

附加评论:
伟大的战役,不要错过。强烈推荐下载!



评论:
Kormin
Wow... thats all i can say. this is a amazing campaign, even if theres only two scenarios. I really like the video quality to it. good story, rather fun to watch. i can't wait for the rest of it.
哇噻....这是我所能说的全部了。惊人的战役,尽管只有两个场景。我真的很喜欢它的画面质量,观赏起来实在是件乐事。我都等不及要玩下一部了。
R Troitski

I'm speechless... there isn't a word to describe something like this, it's just impressive! Keep up the good work.
我哑巴了...没有词汇可以形容一个像这样的东西。它就是令人印象深刻!把这部佳作继续做下去。

在上传审核通过之前,发布了如下预告贴:

https://aok.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/aokcgi/display.cgi?action=ct&f=4,38835,0,30

部分回复:
Tanneur99 (AOKH天使,下载中心管理员,以前给《罗宾的正义之弓》评分的官方评委)

Ocean Blue is at the Blacksmith. I strongly recommend to download NOW!
《海蓝》已经在下载中心(通过审核)了。我强烈建议马上下载!

Dead_End

Great project!

The only thing which I can be critical about is the use of the English language. (Although the mapdesign and story really made up for it)

伟大的工程!
我唯一能批评的就是英文的应用了。(不过地图设计和故事情节真的弥补了这点缺憾)

Julius999

This is very good. Fun to play, and very well balanced. Map design is above average too. Best campaign of the year so far.

However, you very much need a native English speaker to help translate for you. I could understand what was going on, but quite a lot of the text (especially the aftermath section) was ungrammatical or confusing, which badly affects the story. Most of your language use seems quite advanced, and it would be unfair to expect you to translate it perfectly correctly.

非常好。有趣而且平衡性极佳。地图设计也是超过平均水准的。今年以来最好的战役。

不过,你实在是需要一个以英语为母语的人帮你翻译。我可以明白这是怎么一回事,但是很多地方(尤其是胜利信息)是不和语法或者令人困惑的,而这严重地影响了故事情节。你的修辞看起来大都很高级,而如果要求你完美精确地翻译他们,那就太没天理了。



更新之后,听取丝丝的建议,又发了一贴广告,加上贴图,可谓立杆见影:
https://aok.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/aokcgi/display.cgi?action=ct&f=4,38860,0,30

部分回复:

morgoth bauglir


I must say, those screens are bloody amazing. Gonna download ASAP.
我必须说,这些截图实在是惊人得血腥!马上下。

Andanu Trisatya
It's a majestic shame such a magnificent campaign has to share space on the same boat with demos and unfinished scenarios. I mean... yes, I know it's merely the first chapter, but after working so damn long on a project, it's gotta be a devastating punch to the head to find out that not that many people would download it.

Anyway, sweet pics. Kinda reminds me of Ulio. Downloading it now.

这样一部华丽的战役要和那些预告片和半成品放在一起,简直就是天大的耻辱!我的意思是……没错,我当然知道它只是“第一部”,但是在为这么一个工程工花了这么鬼长时间,当站长发现没有太多人会下载它,他会受到不小的震动。




注:估计是前段时间大量电影充斥AOKH的缘故,Campaign(战役)分类中细化分出了一个Project(工程)的分类。所有半成品,预告电影之类,包括分部发布的战役,全部堆在一起。真是鱼龙混杂,甚至有人会在上面发布半成*.scx找人帮忙修改BUG,帮做触发效果……而demo、电影等等更是不计其数……搞笑的是,包括《武士道》《特洛伊》《轮覆之时》《萨巴托重返》等经典战役都夹在这堆东西里面,自然,《海蓝》也得归入此列,怎一个囧字了得。不得不说,这真是个愚蠢的分类。如果是我,肯定专门设置DEMO区。


YoshiX100000
I downloaded it days ago, when it first came out, and I can tell everyone reading this thread that this is probably the second-best release you will see all year (after whatever I finally come out with, of course), with the only major issue being the translations (which are supposedly better now?). DOWNLOAD IT!!!
它几天前刚发布的时候,我就下载了。而我可以告诉所有在看帖的人,这可能将是今年一整年你能够见到的第二好的作品了(当然啦,仅次于我终将要发布的某个作品,不管那是什么),而它唯一的主要问题只有一个——翻译(或许现在已经改善了?)。下载它!

Impeached


I played it last night, great fun.

The translation to english isn't too well done unforunately, though the rest of the scenario is. The bad translation really keeps me from getting at all immersed in the story. =\

我昨晚玩过了。很好玩。

不幸的是翻译做得不是太好,尽管场景的其他方面都很棒。糟糕的翻译实在是让我无法完全沉浸到故事中去。=\


Coldviper


AMAZING!!

惊人!!

尼克 发表于 2009-2-15 22:18:34

翔鷹最佳戰役製作者之名,肯定是大智和絲絲之爭。要是哪天勇者之心也英譯完畢,不敢想像翔鷹能在AOKH帶來多大的震撼。

_CCC_大智 发表于 2009-2-15 22:26:13

哇靠,尼克神速。。。我刚发帖4秒就回了。。

尼克 发表于 2009-2-15 22:32:23

四分鐘吧,我看完帖才回的,而且我打字速度也沒那麼快。:loveliness:

_CCC_大智 发表于 2009-2-15 22:33:18

勇者之心的话,AOKH那边就没有理由不给满分了,剧情绝对完整,o(∩_∩)o...

不过我现在想的是,鹰翼计划到底还值不值得。。。现在翔鹰的人气明显高过AOKH,新战役也出得更多。可能在海蓝系列全部完成之前我估计我不会再想英化了,真的好累。汉化倒可以试试。。:P

_CCC_大智 发表于 2009-2-15 22:33:53

原帖由 尼克 于 2009-2-15 22:32 发表 https://www.hawkaoe.net/bbs/images/common/back.gif
四分鐘吧,我看完帖才回的。:loveliness:

我……

PS:哪个把W O W屏蔽成“我是大笨蛋”的。。。

尼克 发表于 2009-2-15 23:44:36

Wow... thats all i can say.
我是大笨蛋... thats all i can say. :L

_CCC_大智 发表于 2009-2-15 23:47:00

原来是阔比这小子。。。挪揄魔兽也不至于这样吧。。。:L

PS:这贴水了。。。

CQJ-丝丝记忆 发表于 2009-2-16 10:58:49

恭喜大智

确实,故事不完整是有点遗憾,AOKH的评委在这一点上比我们要更慎重,这一分也扣的无可厚非,但总的来讲,和战役品质无关,还是恭喜.

CQJ-丝丝记忆 发表于 2009-2-16 11:01:02

其实这也是打响我们翔鹰在AOKH上名堂的一次机会,可以乘机介绍一下我们历来的经典战役,放些截图上去也好.好好让别人认识认识我们翔鹰小组.

旧王孙 发表于 2009-2-16 11:12:57

恭喜大智!:hug: :victory:

天日 发表于 2009-2-16 17:25:42

恭喜大智!将地 震带给他们吧……

_CCC_大智 发表于 2009-2-16 20:26:09

谢谢:)

丝丝的主意不错,可是我19号就要回学校了,这几天估计没时间弄这个截图了,谁能弄一下?要做就趁早赶快!必定会打响翔鹰的。不管它太多,先吊足外国佬的胃口,哈哈 ^-^

sd0061 发表于 2009-2-16 21:15:38

恭喜大智,我也想试一下……

Wow

_CCC_大智 发表于 2009-2-16 23:50:04

我已经把这只河蟹给河蟹掉啦。。。

条顿武士 发表于 2009-2-19 21:48:40

来晚了……大智都回去了……

不过还是要庆贺,想必Hawk在Aokh上的影响力会越来越大的

超级民兵 发表于 2009-2-19 22:02:57

故障了……                  
很强大~

_MZR_阔比多华 发表于 2009-2-21 15:34:27

Congratulations!
和谐掉wow是因为总有人发广告

_ccc_睡猪 发表于 2009-3-23 14:24:23

祝贺祝贺!热烈祝贺。现在就下来玩玩,同时也了解一下多年未联系的大智。

zwz10101 发表于 2009-3-27 21:04:51

好久不能上,晚了将近2个月!
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